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governor snyder, just say no! >> thanks for staying with "the ed show" tonight. a state known for its unions is in serious jeopardy tonight. republicans are about to really stick to it organized labor in the state of michigan. lame duck republicans want to turn michigan into a right-to-work state. it would mean workers could get all of the benefits of the unions without paying dues. they want to just rip apart democratic infrastructure. that's all they want to do. today democrats called a special meeting with the governor to stop the bill. >> this is a very, very serious matter we have seen in labor management relations in this state i believe in our lifetimes. >> tonight workers are planning to stage massive rallies at the state house tomorrow. security is tight. the governor could sign the bill within the next 24 hours. let's turn to congressman gary peters of michigan, and also cindy estrada, vice president of the united auto workers. great to have both of you with us. first of all you, congressman. you were in that meeting today. how determined do you think g
governor snyder, just say no! >> thanks for staying with "the ed show" tonight. a state known for its unions is in serious jeopardy tonight. republicans are about to really stick to it organized labor in the state of michigan. lame duck republicans want to turn michigan into a right-to-work state. it would mean workers could get all of the benefits of the unions without paying dues. they want to just rip apart democratic infrastructure. that's all they want to do. today...
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michigan snyder what did he say? snyder did not address as they explained in the slate, did not address the right to work in his presentation but told members of the news media afterwards, it is not on my agenda because it is divisive. then what did he do? he put it on his agenda. the minute he had an opportunity he passed the right to work laws. why? he is a liar. he intended to deceive the public so they would vote for him. that's point number two. it's frustrating that the press doesn't understand that. you see, they have to lie otherwise they can't win because their real purpose is to represent the top 2%, the rich and the powerful that fund their campaigns. if they told you the truth, if snyder and romney said i'm out for the rich, will you vote for me, and i'm only for the rich--they wouldn't get your vote. that's why they have to lie on a mass scale. the press who just doesn't get it. the detroit free press after snyder lying to them and pushed forward the right to work law said this. we also indulge many comp
michigan snyder what did he say? snyder did not address as they explained in the slate, did not address the right to work in his presentation but told members of the news media afterwards, it is not on my agenda because it is divisive. then what did he do? he put it on his agenda. the minute he had an opportunity he passed the right to work laws. why? he is a liar. he intended to deceive the public so they would vote for him. that's point number two. it's frustrating that the press doesn't...
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rick snyder is up for re-election in 2014 anyway. he already isn't that popular: michigan is generally a blue state to start with. so if you could take out rick snyder in 2014, again, the legislature as it will be comprised this coming year amenable with the democratic governor to undoing the law. >> you don't mean a recall. >> no, no. like in wisconsin, you know, a lot of people in the wake of that say how did scott walker win by so much? voters may not have liked what he did but they didn't like the idea of, you know, he's in the middle of the term. let him finish we elected him to. that's not an issue for snider in 2014. >> i think it should be pointed out that the unions in michigan stand to lose $100 million a year and you can't remove that from the discussion when you're talking about the stakes. the stakes are high. for both sides but i think steve has very smartly laid out the mechanisms by which people who object to these right to work laws can go about overturning them if they so choose. hopefully what doesn't happen is the
rick snyder is up for re-election in 2014 anyway. he already isn't that popular: michigan is generally a blue state to start with. so if you could take out rick snyder in 2014, again, the legislature as it will be comprised this coming year amenable with the democratic governor to undoing the law. >> you don't mean a recall. >> no, no. like in wisconsin, you know, a lot of people in the wake of that say how did scott walker win by so much? voters may not have liked what he did but...
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governor snyder didn't lie all of the time. here's something he did get accurate. >> only about 17.5% of our workers in this state belong to a union. most people do not. so it wasn't a relevant issue for most michiganders. >> so he was accurate about that because snyder admits only 17% of workers belong to a union in the state of michigan yet he expects us to believe that a right-to-work law will spur economic development? it defies common sense. i'm not done with this story. more coming up. there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay right with us. >> i never said unions are bad for business, and i don't believe this is actually anti-union. if you look at it, i believe this is pro worker. >> the people of michigan are fighting back against rick snyder's assault on workers. tonight, michigan's own michael moore is here to unveil his plan to undo the republicans' sneak attack. >>> last night's concert was a smashing success. but it's not nearly enough. i'll tell you how house republicans are obstruc
governor snyder didn't lie all of the time. here's something he did get accurate. >> only about 17.5% of our workers in this state belong to a union. most people do not. so it wasn't a relevant issue for most michiganders. >> so he was accurate about that because snyder admits only 17% of workers belong to a union in the state of michigan yet he expects us to believe that a right-to-work law will spur economic development? it defies common sense. i'm not done with this story. more...
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we believe governor snyder, yeah. he is gutting the unions to give more freedom to less than 20% of the workforce in the state? actually, only 17.5% of the workers in the state of michigan are union members. that's 671,000 people. governor snyder needs to explain why a small percentage of his state needed such a massive legal overhaul before the end of the year in a lame duck session of their legislature. let's turn to virg bernero, mayor of lansing, michigan, where all the action was yesterday and in recent days, and former ohio governor ted strickland with us tonight. gentlemen, great to have you with us. it's either unions took a shot in the boiler or a sleeping giant has just been awakened. only time will tell as this all unfolds. governor, you first. is ohio getting pressure to pass the so-called right-to-work legislation? what is going on there? >> well, there are efforts under way in ohio right now to gather signatures for an initiative, and i think we're going to face this challenge in ohio, and i think other
we believe governor snyder, yeah. he is gutting the unions to give more freedom to less than 20% of the workforce in the state? actually, only 17.5% of the workers in the state of michigan are union members. that's 671,000 people. governor snyder needs to explain why a small percentage of his state needed such a massive legal overhaul before the end of the year in a lame duck session of their legislature. let's turn to virg bernero, mayor of lansing, michigan, where all the action was yesterday...
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michig govrick sande signed legislation -- rick snyder right to work legislation into law. the president said that what they're talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. a right to work at state, michigan? >> it is incredible. the republican legislature has passed this. there are two institutions that greeted the middle class in america with of the 10 states with the highest per capita income, although one is a non- right to work state. the 10 states with the highest medical coverage for the workers, eight of the 10 are not right to work states. where workers have the right to organize and unions, and those can be effective marketing, it raises the level of living for all americans. that, frankly,he fastest- growing states -- three of the 20 are right to work states. that puts that to rest. it is a chance to destroy unions, undermined unions, or hurt them politically. no accidents, the " brother -- koch brothers finance to this. >> it worked great when the united states was number one. tre unions d, as mark said, create a middle class. the problem is int
michig govrick sande signed legislation -- rick snyder right to work legislation into law. the president said that what they're talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. a right to work at state, michigan? >> it is incredible. the republican legislature has passed this. there are two institutions that greeted the middle class in america with of the 10 states with the highest per capita income, although one is a non- right to work state. the 10 states with the highest...
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president obama had a word with governor snyder at the airport in detroit yesterday. we don't know what they said. but later that day, president obama gave a speech about the economy and the middle class in which he came out strongly against a republican plan to weaken michigan's unions. >> what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your rights to bargain for better wages and working conditions. [ cheering ] >> we shouldn't be doing that. you know, these so-called right-to-work laws, they don't have anything to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. >> across the state, democrats yesterday reminded governor snyder the bill was too divisive for michigan. he said that right up until last week when he called a hasty press conference to announce he had reversed his position and the legislation suddenly appeared as if by magic. the bills passed the first round of voting in roughly an hour and a half. this evening governor snyder announced that he had signed the bills into law, calling them good for workers and for freedom and for the economy. h
president obama had a word with governor snyder at the airport in detroit yesterday. we don't know what they said. but later that day, president obama gave a speech about the economy and the middle class in which he came out strongly against a republican plan to weaken michigan's unions. >> what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your rights to bargain for better wages and working conditions. [ cheering ] >> we shouldn't be doing that. you know, these so-called...
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governor snyder, thank you very much for joining us. tell me why now and why this issue, why take this on? this is not what you campaigned on. >> no. i appreciate that, andrea. it really goes back to last summertime. the labor movement, labor leaders were pushing forward something called proposal 2. they were doing signatures to put on it the ballot, which would have been a massive overreach into michigan's constitution regarding collective bargaining. i believe in collective bargaining, but this was way over the top, and i asked him not to go forward, and the reasons i said is you are going to start a very divisive discussion regarding collective bargaining first, but it also will get into right to work. it will create a big stir about right to work in addition to collective bargaining. the voters spoke in november and dramatically voted down proposal two, but then this right to work discussion just continued to escalate and was becoming very divisive. the way i viewed it, it's on the table. it's a hot issue. let's show some leadership
governor snyder, thank you very much for joining us. tell me why now and why this issue, why take this on? this is not what you campaigned on. >> no. i appreciate that, andrea. it really goes back to last summertime. the labor movement, labor leaders were pushing forward something called proposal 2. they were doing signatures to put on it the ballot, which would have been a massive overreach into michigan's constitution regarding collective bargaining. i believe in collective bargaining,...
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a question -- this is a challenge for republicans and nor snyder. can they make the argument, this is going to help the economy in michigan or ohio, indiana, wherever they're trying to do this, and the studies really don't give you the evidence to make that case. it's very hard to sort of sort this stuff out, and so the unions then have to talk about fairness and other issues that the president has tried to make part gumdz u bundled into everything he is talking about. i think this is going to be another strong clash. it was -- they lost to wisconsin, but it was a close bite, and we didn't know which side was going to win for a while, and i think we're going to see a major front ear, which is -- which either side can win. >> the other thing to keep in mind is the reason this is happening now is because republicans will still have jord come 2013 in the statehouse in michigan, but it's not going to be as big. that is a really crass, nakedly political move? >> it's a lame-duck move. >> it is a lame-duck move. when we talk about the bigger framing of th
a question -- this is a challenge for republicans and nor snyder. can they make the argument, this is going to help the economy in michigan or ohio, indiana, wherever they're trying to do this, and the studies really don't give you the evidence to make that case. it's very hard to sort of sort this stuff out, and so the unions then have to talk about fairness and other issues that the president has tried to make part gumdz u bundled into everything he is talking about. i think this is going to...
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going back to people like snyder, obama is happy to take the money from the rich. both won't take advice from people are rich. he doesn't want to learn how to fish. he just wants to take the fish. >> bob: detroit has been in trouble for a long time. right to work. here the unions collectively bargain, great rates. they allow scabs in there and take advantage of the money. >> eric: you just made the case for busting up the union there. detroit has been in trouble for a long time, republican or a democrat. you are 100% right. >> bob: does it have something with every other major city in country. >> dana: michigan should be allow to make its own decisio decisions. michigan voters, the overall households support. this 45% of the union households support the move. 39% of the democratic households support it. 55% of the republican households. there is momentum. they realize they have to do something. this would be a fundamental change. that could alter the history. >> eric: today's news is good example. they are chuging 40s and smoking weed in the lunch break and today t
going back to people like snyder, obama is happy to take the money from the rich. both won't take advice from people are rich. he doesn't want to learn how to fish. he just wants to take the fish. >> bob: detroit has been in trouble for a long time. right to work. here the unions collectively bargain, great rates. they allow scabs in there and take advantage of the money. >> eric: you just made the case for busting up the union there. detroit has been in trouble for a long time,...
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before i do so, please i'd like you to listen to what michigan governor rick snyder had the temerity to say on "morning joe." listen to this. oh. we appear to not have that. we seemed to suggest this morning that for some reason this was good for workers. how is right to work -- >> nothing could be further from the truth. basically what he has done is blind sided a lot of folks up there in michigan. and it's not good for workers in that workers will be able to benefit, they don't have to join a union. but now they'll be getting representation for better benefits and better wages. and not presenting any kind of dues to pay for that representation. and that's a deliberate effort, martin, to destroy unions. we see it here in the congress. i've seen it in my own committee. there has been a march by our republican colleagues to do everything in their power to destroy and weaken unions. and this is just another effort in that road. and i think people have to see this for what it is. you know, keep in mind that governor snyder said he was not going to get involved in this because he thought
before i do so, please i'd like you to listen to what michigan governor rick snyder had the temerity to say on "morning joe." listen to this. oh. we appear to not have that. we seemed to suggest this morning that for some reason this was good for workers. how is right to work -- >> nothing could be further from the truth. basically what he has done is blind sided a lot of folks up there in michigan. and it's not good for workers in that workers will be able to benefit, they...
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governor rick snyder yesterday, the audacity -- right? of saying, oh this is pure kind of fox news bs. what? me? i just signed this anti-worker legislation. no, i am not anti-worker. i am pro-worker. >> so we are moving forward on the topic of workplace fairness and equality. again, i don't view this anti-union at all. i believe this is pro-worker. >> bill: right. it's like charlie manson saying i am pro-life, you know. >> peter: right. >> bill: ridiculous. and then rick snyder says, by the way, it's not fair to call these people freeloaders. >> i think it's absolutely inappropriate to say someone is a freeloader. michigan people are hard-working people trying to make a living. if the union is offering them a value proposition, i don't see a michiganer hesitating to pay those dollars >> bill: i came close to calling that what it is. total b.s of course they are freeloaders. i have all of these people around me. they are paying their dues so we can get representation in the state legislature in the congress so we can work and get better re
governor rick snyder yesterday, the audacity -- right? of saying, oh this is pure kind of fox news bs. what? me? i just signed this anti-worker legislation. no, i am not anti-worker. i am pro-worker. >> so we are moving forward on the topic of workplace fairness and equality. again, i don't view this anti-union at all. i believe this is pro-worker. >> bill: right. it's like charlie manson saying i am pro-life, you know. >> peter: right. >> bill: ridiculous. and then rick...
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up until last tuesday, governor snyder said this was not on his agenda. it was too devicive and didn't want to deal with it. he came back and said it's on my agenda for a thoughtful discussion and by thursday the house and senate passed it without any public hearings and input or committee hearings. people are upset about how it was passed. republican had to get it done in the lame duck. after january they may not have been able to get it done. the republicans still will have a majority in january, but they lost five seats in the statehouse. they only had a two-vote cushion for the vote yesterday and that cushion probably won't be there after january. >> you mentioned the proposed constitutional amendment that failed bodily on the ballot. i was wonder figure you can take us in the politics of how that went down and people think of michigan as a pro union, pro labor state with a rich history. your colleague wrote something i found interesting. reilly on the free press seemed like a theory of what unions need to do and where they went wrong. she said the 19
up until last tuesday, governor snyder said this was not on his agenda. it was too devicive and didn't want to deal with it. he came back and said it's on my agenda for a thoughtful discussion and by thursday the house and senate passed it without any public hearings and input or committee hearings. people are upset about how it was passed. republican had to get it done in the lame duck. after january they may not have been able to get it done. the republicans still will have a majority in...
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snyder says everybody should have a choice. that's like me saying i don't like the president, i shouldn't have to pay my taxes. democracy doesn't work that way. it's a majority rule. >> the governor thinks right to work laws create jobs. here he is earlier today. >> i think this could be good for economic development for more and better jobs coming to michigan. we have watched what's going on in indiana. they have seen many more companies look at indiana, citing this as one of the factors that they did it in february. they could have thousands more jobs because they became a right to work state. >> mayor bernero of lansing, michigan, your response to that? >> that's absolute crap. the fact is they have a governor who is working his butt off to bring back jobs to indiana. that makes a difference. i'm bringing jobs from italy and other places. and nobody asks about right to work. give me a break. the unions helped create the middle class. everybody knows it. the fact is that right-to-work states have worse education. they have wo
snyder says everybody should have a choice. that's like me saying i don't like the president, i shouldn't have to pay my taxes. democracy doesn't work that way. it's a majority rule. >> the governor thinks right to work laws create jobs. here he is earlier today. >> i think this could be good for economic development for more and better jobs coming to michigan. we have watched what's going on in indiana. they have seen many more companies look at indiana, citing this as one of the...
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>> rick snyder signed two right to work bills into law after they were pushed through, the statehouse democrats in michigan insisted their fight is not over. >> good ideas get debate and bad ones get rammed through with police protection in a lame duck legislature. i will say this. this fight is not over. >> joining me now a radio talk show host michael smerconish and inside michigan politics. michael, i will start with you. you have a number of labor leaders out and they are putting boots on the ground in states like pennsylvania where they are preparing to square off against republicans in a sense of pay back for what we saw in michigan. >> right. you take a look at the pennsylvania legislature controlled by republicans. so too is the governor's mansion and you can say the same about ohio. the take away here is if it could happen in michigan, it can probably happen in a host of other states that are in the rust belt or the midwest. not just sunbelt states where unions have been on the ropes for years. the ripple effect will be very significant. i look at what's on the horizon and ch
>> rick snyder signed two right to work bills into law after they were pushed through, the statehouse democrats in michigan insisted their fight is not over. >> good ideas get debate and bad ones get rammed through with police protection in a lame duck legislature. i will say this. this fight is not over. >> joining me now a radio talk show host michael smerconish and inside michigan politics. michael, i will start with you. you have a number of labor leaders out and they are...
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i beg your rick snyder please veto those bills and stop the madness, but here is what he is up against. 24 michigan lawmakers are acting on behalf of alec that conservative group that drafts gun legislation for lawmakers, and alec has been bank rolled by the nra. michigan's alec chair cosponsored the extreme gun legislation that rammed through the house and senate last week. but this is not just about michigan. michigan has been passing some crazy bills these last few weeks, but this is much broader. alec's legislation has been used across the country to weaken gun laws. since 2009, 99-nra-backed alec laws have passed in 36 states. all of those states are states where alec-backed gun legislation has passed. and as a result gun safety laws across the country have gotten incredibly watered down. in arizona you need a permit to cut hair but not to carry a concealed. in mississippi concealed weapons permits last longer than driver's licenses. iowa it's easier to sell a gun than lemonade. in arkansas it takes less time to buy a gun than to qualify for food stamps. not only do we have weaker
i beg your rick snyder please veto those bills and stop the madness, but here is what he is up against. 24 michigan lawmakers are acting on behalf of alec that conservative group that drafts gun legislation for lawmakers, and alec has been bank rolled by the nra. michigan's alec chair cosponsored the extreme gun legislation that rammed through the house and senate last week. but this is not just about michigan. michigan has been passing some crazy bills these last few weeks, but this is much...
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>> to be honest, you're up against a republican house, republican senate, republican governor rick snyder has changed his position. he now supports right to work. what are you chances of stopping it? >> well, i don't think our chances of stopping it legislatively are particularly good. you know, it's a remarkable thing where we have a governor who campaigned as a moderate who has said for over two years that this issue is too divisive for michigan. now he's its biggest fan. either he was lying when he called it too divisive or he is by his own admission an extremist who's pushing an agenda that's too divisive and too extreme for our state. >> right now as i understand it the entire michigan federal delegation, house and senate, those folks are meeting with governor snyder. could that change anything? >> well, i have heard that they're meeting with him. we'll have to see what comes of that discussion. >> let me play devil's advocate here and just talk about the specifics of this. supporters say that this is going to help the state attract and keep businesses. they often point to auto suppl
>> to be honest, you're up against a republican house, republican senate, republican governor rick snyder has changed his position. he now supports right to work. what are you chances of stopping it? >> well, i don't think our chances of stopping it legislatively are particularly good. you know, it's a remarkable thing where we have a governor who campaigned as a moderate who has said for over two years that this issue is too divisive for michigan. now he's its biggest fan. either...
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a group of democratic congressmen and leaders of michigan met to meet with snyder. the approval rating is not high. facing re-election in what's a blue state in 2014 and basically said, look, this is a huge political mess for you. you are taking incredible flack from supporters like the detroit news, newspapers. here's the way out for you. one of two things. this bill's going to pass the legislature tod legislature tomorrow and they put in appropriation to be exempt from referendum. they said line item veto and let the voters decide or there will be an amendment offered yesterday for a referendum. get behind the amendment. sign sit but you're out on this to keep from the fight maybe that you had with scott walker in wisconsin is let the voters decide this. >> what's interesting is the governor said, please, to the republican party, please do not put this bill on my desk. he really didn't want to be in this position to start off with so tomorrow will be very interesting. >> well, sort of bigger national political story behind the anti-union, anti-labor movement is al
a group of democratic congressmen and leaders of michigan met to meet with snyder. the approval rating is not high. facing re-election in what's a blue state in 2014 and basically said, look, this is a huge political mess for you. you are taking incredible flack from supporters like the detroit news, newspapers. here's the way out for you. one of two things. this bill's going to pass the legislature tod legislature tomorrow and they put in appropriation to be exempt from referendum. they said...
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now the first blue right to work state after a pair of bills were signed into law by governor rick snyder who appeared on msnbc's "morning joe" today. >> i believe this is pro-worker. because the way i view it is workers now have freedom to choose. this does not deal with organizing at all. this does not deal with collective bargaining at all. this has nothing to do with the relationship between an employer and a union. this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> let's dig in right now. >> good ideas get debated and bad ones get rammed through with police protection in a lame duck legislature. but i will say this, mr. speaker. this fight is not over. >> we are going to get to michigan in a moment. first we want to bring in today's political power panel and dig in on the big topics of the day. msnbc contributor joy ann reid, also managing editor for the grio. msnbc contributor ari melber, correspondent for the nation and republican strategist alice stewart. great to see all three of you. joy ann, moments ago, boehner saying the sides are far apart. the cliff 20 days away.
now the first blue right to work state after a pair of bills were signed into law by governor rick snyder who appeared on msnbc's "morning joe" today. >> i believe this is pro-worker. because the way i view it is workers now have freedom to choose. this does not deal with organizing at all. this does not deal with collective bargaining at all. this has nothing to do with the relationship between an employer and a union. this is about the relationship between unions and workers....
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governor rick snyder, initially was against, at least one of these bills. he called it too divisive. what changed his mind? >> i think, i can't speak for the governor in that regard but i know the governor is big proponent anything you can do to bring jobs into this state. when he was presented with compelling evidence around that, especially in the wake of what has been happening in indiana, it would have been difficult for him to continue on in am ba gut. he is -- ambiguity. he is in support of getting more and better jobs in our state. david: hopefully we'll get him on next week after he signs these bills as he is expect to do. state senator, thanks for coming in. we appreciate it. >> have a good day. david: you too. and a good weekend. lauren? lauren: ibm retirement program is getting a makeover. that is not pretty for employees and other companies could follow the lead. that story is next. we could also see a lot more flooding in the future. uh-oh. find out why. ♪ it's a new day. if you're a man with low testosterone, you should know that axiron is h
governor rick snyder, initially was against, at least one of these bills. he called it too divisive. what changed his mind? >> i think, i can't speak for the governor in that regard but i know the governor is big proponent anything you can do to bring jobs into this state. when he was presented with compelling evidence around that, especially in the wake of what has been happening in indiana, it would have been difficult for him to continue on in am ba gut. he is -- ambiguity. he is in...
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now governor snyder who is also certain to sign them into law. with me is lisa brown and katie oppenheim. thank you both for joining us. >> thank you for having us. >> eliot: lisa, let me start with you. this is shocking for those who look at michigan as a blue state, first what do these bills do, and how did they make it through a mushroomsture that we thought was a bastian of progressive thinking, union bauer and women's. >> right we have legislature going against the will of the people. and we have a governor who said he did not want to deal with divisive issues. jobs was job number one and he completely flip flopped on that. it would have been nice to see him come out and say i'm going to veto this legislation. there are so many bills i can't even keep them all straight. you named a few of them. but coercive abortion. we offered amendments that you can't coerce a woman in completing a pregnancy and that amendment would not be accepted. the right for insurance, like you said, and this isn't just taking control over a woman's body away from her
now governor snyder who is also certain to sign them into law. with me is lisa brown and katie oppenheim. thank you both for joining us. >> thank you for having us. >> eliot: lisa, let me start with you. this is shocking for those who look at michigan as a blue state, first what do these bills do, and how did they make it through a mushroomsture that we thought was a bastian of progressive thinking, union bauer and women's. >> right we have legislature going against the will...
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let's get this behind us. >> bill: that's what snyder said. >> that's what snyder said. now, it is smack in front of michigan. you know, talk to any ceo of the big three ask them about labor management relations the sad part of this is when you don't give workers a voice it creates dissension within. there's no voice to talk to management. and progressive managers like the big three, they say look we, in the last 10, 15 years have developed a really strong, positive relationship between labor and management. just walk into any plant. like the daimlerchrysler -- it is not chrysler anymore. it is a daimler plant. just walk in and talk to the management. in fact, i did talk to management. i talked to labor representatives and they talk how they worked together, these last years. he's decided to do is -- the governor, is the opposite. i talked to someone who's a union rep and he goes down to north carolina where there's a plant there, a daimler plant doing the same work. and it is a right-to-work state. >> bill: mmm. >> so they have a t-shirt there and it says "i ride, you p
let's get this behind us. >> bill: that's what snyder said. >> that's what snyder said. now, it is smack in front of michigan. you know, talk to any ceo of the big three ask them about labor management relations the sad part of this is when you don't give workers a voice it creates dissension within. there's no voice to talk to management. and progressive managers like the big three, they say look we, in the last 10, 15 years have developed a really strong, positive relationship...
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he met today with governor snyder and with the president. and republican state senator john prose, who is one of the sponsors of right-to-work legislation. representative levin, i want to start with you because you met with two of the key people who who have been debating this today, governor snyder, president obama. what were you there to say? >> to say this is a very divisive effort. michigan is already open for business. we added 30,000 auto jobs since the recession began. already we're growing. this would terribly disrupt the pattern of labor-management relations that has really evolved very effectively for the last decade-and-a-half. it's deeply divisive. secondly i want the record to be very clear. there is no requirement today that people pay union dues or belong to a union. what the law says is this. if a majority of employees vote to be represented, if they decide to do that and if the employer decides to agree that there can be a requirement that people pay their fair share for representation. that can be done. it should be emphasi
he met today with governor snyder and with the president. and republican state senator john prose, who is one of the sponsors of right-to-work legislation. representative levin, i want to start with you because you met with two of the key people who who have been debating this today, governor snyder, president obama. what were you there to say? >> to say this is a very divisive effort. michigan is already open for business. we added 30,000 auto jobs since the recession began. already...
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michigan's governor, rick snyder, moments ago, signed right to work legislation into law. now, the new law sharply limits union power, something once unthinkable. hundreds of protesters packed inside the capitol building for the vote. trooper on hand in riot gear. michigan, home of the most powerful union in the country, a symbol of union power and dominance for generations. not anymore. workers are no longer to give up part of their paycheck to union dues. now, the unions didn't go down without a fight. literally. take a look at this, outside the state capitol. the moment the bill passed, things got violent. tents belonging to americans for prosperity, who were there to suppt the bill, torn down. one of the groups senior staff, steve, who is actually also a fox ws contributor was brutallyassaulted as he tried to prottect his staff. nuts. joining us now, thee most senior republican lawmaker who voted today, the house speaker, thank you for being with us today. this is monumental on so many levels. we have a michigan republican controlled legislature right now. is that why
michigan's governor, rick snyder, moments ago, signed right to work legislation into law. now, the new law sharply limits union power, something once unthinkable. hundreds of protesters packed inside the capitol building for the vote. trooper on hand in riot gear. michigan, home of the most powerful union in the country, a symbol of union power and dominance for generations. not anymore. workers are no longer to give up part of their paycheck to union dues. now, the unions didn't go down...
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remember that snyder had telegraphed he wouldn't do this. this is very, very surprising. i think that we are going to see what the full-out is from this before we find out how broad this is going to be. i think that you are seeing something of a split. i think that as has been discussed here, the election in 2012 showed that romney lost the fight for the middle class, right? he lost the fight for not just messaging, but on policy on middle class. he couldn't make a convincing case. republicans up and down the ticket had this problem. however, earlier a couple months earlier, you had the bad defeat for labor in terms of the walker recall, so i think that this is why you are not seeing right now an effort to do something similar. i think there is a chance that you will see something like this spread, but this is not really where -- republicans are not embracing this right now. >> can i just say -- >> i disagree. >> there's a really considered effort over several years, over five or six years, among the gop, to build an infrastructure to win state elections. >> it's not a st
remember that snyder had telegraphed he wouldn't do this. this is very, very surprising. i think that we are going to see what the full-out is from this before we find out how broad this is going to be. i think that you are seeing something of a split. i think that as has been discussed here, the election in 2012 showed that romney lost the fight for the middle class, right? he lost the fight for not just messaging, but on policy on middle class. he couldn't make a convincing case. republicans...
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. >> susan, supporters including republicans led by gop governor rick snyder maintain that this bill will wind up helping the economy and not hurting it, right. >> that's right allison. the governor insists that the right to work bill will save jobs and increase salaries by not forcing union dues on workers. here's michigan governor rick snyder. >> to give freedom of choice to our workplace and that legislators move promptly and efficiently in moving it through the legislature and when it arrives on my desk, i plan on signing it. >> susan, are we going to see more of the same this week? what kind of turnout are you expecting to see at michigan's capitol when lawmakers are expected to vote? >> a huge turnout is expected. some people are predicting 7,000 demonstrates, last week when supporters and protesters jammed the can toll. some people are talking about recall campaigns like we saw in wisconsin or even legal challenges, so we'll see what comes up. >>> in washington state, same-sex marriage is now legal and at the stroke of midnight couples started to getting married. after 11 year
. >> susan, supporters including republicans led by gop governor rick snyder maintain that this bill will wind up helping the economy and not hurting it, right. >> that's right allison. the governor insists that the right to work bill will save jobs and increase salaries by not forcing union dues on workers. here's michigan governor rick snyder. >> to give freedom of choice to our workplace and that legislators move promptly and efficiently in moving it through the legislature...
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it was not enough to stop the legislation that rick snyder signed into law. despite the long history, the state is controlled by a republican-dominated house and senate. >> there 58 aye votes and 52 nay votes. >> therefore the bill is passed. >> michigan becomes the nation's 24th right to work state which schneider said opponents will have to get used to. >> worker choice is important and this will lead to more and better jobs. the bill signed and they can finish up and they can go home. >> michigan has the fifth highest percentage of unionized workers at 17%, its history is well-known. it's a blue state that obama won by points last month. they lost these fights just about everywhere else. democrats in right to work states have moved on. democrats in the state legislature have threatened further action. >> good ideas get debate and bad ones get rammed through with police protection in a legislature. i will say this. this fight is not over. >> it's unclear exactly what democrats and labor can do. critics say it could overturn the law that would require gettin
it was not enough to stop the legislation that rick snyder signed into law. despite the long history, the state is controlled by a republican-dominated house and senate. >> there 58 aye votes and 52 nay votes. >> therefore the bill is passed. >> michigan becomes the nation's 24th right to work state which schneider said opponents will have to get used to. >> worker choice is important and this will lead to more and better jobs. the bill signed and they can finish up and...
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today, michigan governor snyder responded to the voices, our voices. he vetoed a bill to allow concealed weapons in schools. victory, a small victory but a victory. contact your representatives. you hired them. you are their employer. you get to tell them what to do. or you can fire them, they can get a new job. talk is cheap. and we can each actually do something. and it will make a difference. to paraphrase the great margaret mead, a small group of good people can change the world. it is the i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. >> jennifer: so we've talked about the leadership needed to stem gun violence in this country, we need leaders in the gun industry to change their ways. we need lawmakers to lead on passing gun safety laws. we also need the entertainment industry to lead by helping to change this violent streak in our popular culture. you know in h
today, michigan governor snyder responded to the voices, our voices. he vetoed a bill to allow concealed weapons in schools. victory, a small victory but a victory. contact your representatives. you hired them. you are their employer. you get to tell them what to do. or you can fire them, they can get a new job. talk is cheap. and we can each actually do something. and it will make a difference. to paraphrase the great margaret mead, a small group of good people can change the world. it is the...
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governor reich snyder expected to sign tomorrow even though thousands of people continue to protest outside the michigan state capitol building in lancing. it covers shops, but exempts police and firefighter unions. stub hub strikes out with major league baseball clubs and three are droppling them, yankees, chicago cub, and l.a. angels of anaheim no longer sell tickets on the website although major league baseball extended the partnership with stubhub through 2017. we continue the count down to the closing bell with the original bond girl who said, "diamonds are forever." liz claman? liz: one retailer down in the dumps, but it's shown signs of life. let's get to nicole's on the floor of the new york stock exchange. our diamond girl there. >> hey, thanks. jc penney under pressure with the idea that pronotions, sales, and coupons are not the way, but just great prices all the time. what happened? people didn't go there. people like promotions. he's the stock, up 4%, and this is why because slowly, but surely, ron johnson have been moving and doing price events, and this is what they've deny d
governor reich snyder expected to sign tomorrow even though thousands of people continue to protest outside the michigan state capitol building in lancing. it covers shops, but exempts police and firefighter unions. stub hub strikes out with major league baseball clubs and three are droppling them, yankees, chicago cub, and l.a. angels of anaheim no longer sell tickets on the website although major league baseball extended the partnership with stubhub through 2017. we continue the count down to...
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i want to ask governor snyder, is he -- >> no, no. no. bob, let me ask you the question. i know you had fun with me on that one. in other words, you have to pay the equivalent of the dues even if you're not a member of the union, right? you're forced to do it in order to work. >> you don't have to be a member of the union. so it's not about freedom to be in the union or not. you don't have to be a member of the union. >> why should you be forced to pay the equivalent of union dues in order to work? >> you're responsible to pay your fair share of the cost of representation. if two workers are on the line, they both get the benefit of the contract, they get the raises, the pension, the health care. if you say one worker doesn't have to pay, you're giving him a raise. you're creating divisiveness on the shop floor. everybody should pay their fair share. that's kind of an american principle. we're fighting about that in washington on the fiscal cliff, too. >> let me -- last question for you, suppose the republicans, they don't like the uaw's liberal point of view on politics.
i want to ask governor snyder, is he -- >> no, no. no. bob, let me ask you the question. i know you had fun with me on that one. in other words, you have to pay the equivalent of the dues even if you're not a member of the union, right? you're forced to do it in order to work. >> you don't have to be a member of the union. so it's not about freedom to be in the union or not. you don't have to be a member of the union. >> why should you be forced to pay the equivalent of union...